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There isare no reasonreasons to assume the beloved disciple was one of the twelve. He appears to be based in Jerusalem not Galilee. The house where the last supper took place in John, appears from internal clues to be in the Priestly district of Jerusalem and the beloved disciple sits in the place of the host, so presumably he lived there. Furthermore when Jesus is arrested, Peter and that other disciple go to the temple to see if they can get in to see Jesus: Peter is kept waiting outside, but the beloved disciple is let in because he knows the High Priest, he then gets permission for Peter to be let in. Does this character sound like a Galilean fisherman to you? He sounds like he's a priest. It's also interesting that when Peter and John were brought before the High Priest in the Acts; the High Priest didn't know who they were.The Gospel of John is constructed around the feasts of the temple in quite a skilful; almost liturgical way; again why is that so? For a long time I thought that Lazarus was the beloved disciple, his appearance in the text seems to match up with the appearance of the beloved disciple and he is stated as being loved by Jesus, also Bethany is close to Jerusalem where the beloved disciple appears to be based. Also the controversy over whether the beloved disciple would die makes sense if he was Lazarus and had been raised from the dead. On the other hand, Bethany is not where the last supper happened, furthermore, Lazarus kept a low profile for fear of being arrested by the religious authorities; yet the beloved disciple openly went to the temple when Jesus was arrested, and presumably spoke to Caiaphas and or other important temple figures, he also stood openly at the foot of the cross, apparently without fear of arrest. Does that sound like Lazarus?! The internal clues seem to indicate a priest from Jerusalem! I do not believe the beloved disciple is a literary invention, would a figure who was friends with the High Priest and lived in the Priestly district be the kind of figure that the Johanine community would invent? Especially with their antagonism to towards the Temple hierarchy. It might be said that they invented a good priest, to shame the bad priests who didn't believe in Jesus, but this is hardly tenable, since the clues suggesting the beloved disciples identity as a priest are so vague, that until recently no one has really picked up on it; at least in a textual way, although Papius and others seemed to think the beloved disciple was a Priest. If anything the beloved disciples links with the temple are down played even though they are there.

There is no reason to assume the beloved disciple was one of the twelve. He appears to based in Jerusalem not Galilee. The house where the last supper took place in John appears from internal clues to be in the Priestly district of Jerusalem and the beloved disciple sits in the place of the host, so presumably he lived there. Furthermore when Jesus is arrested, Peter and that other disciple go to the temple to see if they can get in to see Jesus: Peter is kept waiting outside, but the beloved disciple is let in because he knows the High Priest, he then gets permission for Peter to be let in. Does this character sound like a Galilean fisherman to you? He sounds like he's a priest. It's also interesting that when Peter and John were brought before the High Priest in the Acts; the High Priest didn't know who they were.The Gospel of John is constructed around the feasts of the temple in quite a skilful; almost liturgical way; again why is that so? For a long time I thought that Lazarus was the beloved disciple, his appearance in the text seems to match up with the appearance of the beloved disciple and he is stated as being loved by Jesus, also Bethany is close to Jerusalem where the beloved disciple appears to be based. Also the controversy over whether the beloved disciple would die makes sense if he was Lazarus and had been raised from the dead. On the other hand, Bethany is not where the last supper happened, furthermore, Lazarus kept a low profile for fear of being arrested by the religious authorities; yet the beloved disciple openly went to the temple when Jesus was arrested, and presumably spoke to Caiaphas and or other important temple figures, he also stood openly at the foot of the cross, apparently without fear of arrest. Does that sound like Lazarus?! The internal clues seem to indicate a priest from Jerusalem!

There are no reasons to assume the beloved disciple was one of the twelve. He appears to be based in Jerusalem not Galilee. The house where the last supper took place in John, appears from internal clues to be in the Priestly district of Jerusalem and the beloved disciple sits in the place of the host, so presumably he lived there. Furthermore when Jesus is arrested, Peter and that other disciple go to the temple to see if they can get in to see Jesus: Peter is kept waiting outside, but the beloved disciple is let in because he knows the High Priest, he then gets permission for Peter to be let in. Does this character sound like a Galilean fisherman to you? He sounds like he's a priest. It's also interesting that when Peter and John were brought before the High Priest in the Acts; the High Priest didn't know who they were.The Gospel of John is constructed around the feasts of the temple in quite a skilful; almost liturgical way; again why is that so? For a long time I thought that Lazarus was the beloved disciple, his appearance in the text seems to match up with the appearance of the beloved disciple and he is stated as being loved by Jesus, also Bethany is close to Jerusalem where the beloved disciple appears to be based. Also the controversy over whether the beloved disciple would die makes sense if he was Lazarus and had been raised from the dead. On the other hand, Bethany is not where the last supper happened, furthermore, Lazarus kept a low profile for fear of being arrested by the religious authorities; yet the beloved disciple openly went to the temple when Jesus was arrested, and presumably spoke to Caiaphas and or other important temple figures, he also stood openly at the foot of the cross, apparently without fear of arrest. Does that sound like Lazarus?! The internal clues seem to indicate a priest from Jerusalem! I do not believe the beloved disciple is a literary invention, would a figure who was friends with the High Priest and lived in the Priestly district be the kind of figure that the Johanine community would invent? Especially with their antagonism to towards the Temple hierarchy. It might be said that they invented a good priest, to shame the bad priests who didn't believe in Jesus, but this is hardly tenable, since the clues suggesting the beloved disciples identity as a priest are so vague, that until recently no one has really picked up on it; at least in a textual way, although Papius and others seemed to think the beloved disciple was a Priest. If anything the beloved disciples links with the temple are down played even though they are there.

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There is no reason to assume the beloved disciple was one of the twelve. He appears to based in Jerusalem not Galilee. The house where the last supper took place in John appears from internal clues to be in the Priestly district of Jerusalem and the beloved disciple sits in the place of the host, so presumably he lived there. Furthermore when Jesus is arrested, Peter and that other disciple go to the temple to see if they can get in to see Jesus: Peter is kept waiting outside, but the beloved disciple is let in because he knows the High Priest, he then gets permission for Peter to be let in. Does this character sound like a Galilean fisherman to you? He sounds like he's a priest. It's also interesting that when Peter and John were brought before the High Priest in the Acts; the High Priest didn't know who they were.The Gospel of John is constructed around the feasts of the temple in quite a skilful; almost liturgical way; again why is that so? For a long time I thought that Lazarus was the beloved disciple, his appearance in the text seems to match up with the appearance of the beloved disciple and he is stated as being loved by Jesus, also Bethany is close to Jerusalem where the beloved disciple appears to be based. Also the controversy over whether the beloved disciple would die makes sense if he was Lazarus and had been raised from the dead. On the other hand, Bethany is not where the last supper happened, furthermore, Lazarus kept a low profile for fear of being arrested by the religious authorities; yet the beloved disciple openly went to the temple when Jesus was arrested, and presumably spoke to Caiaphas and or other important temple figures, he also stood openly at the foot of the cross, apparently without fear of arrest. Does that sound like Lazarus?! The internal clues seem to indicate a priest from Jerusalem!