Timeline for Historical Evidence that the Jewish Calendar Day Began at Sunset?
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| Apr 13, 2017 at 12:47 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Mar 24, 2017 at 19:31 | comment | added | elika kohen | @ScottS - A.) I agree that the Pentateuch / Job may be valid pre-exile historical evidence. B.) However, I feel that a "Plain Reading" of the texts you cite - without the commentary - lead people to very different conclusions. C.) For example, passages relating to exceptional holidays, or the weekly Sabbath Rest may not even be relevant, regardless of interpretation. D.) But, as always - I am only asking for objective, historical evidences - to help inform the interpretations that other people make. | |
| Apr 14, 2016 at 23:36 | history | edited | ScottS | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Cleaned up some extra unnessary characters and text
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| Apr 8, 2016 at 21:30 | history | rollback | ScottS |
Rollback to Revision 5
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| Apr 8, 2016 at 21:20 | history | edited | elika kohen | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Just removing some extra text, and removing lots of > ... Adding formatting to make it a little easier to read.
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| Apr 7, 2016 at 20:01 | history | edited | ScottS | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Clarified dusk vs. midnight and Babylonian influence
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| Apr 7, 2016 at 18:22 | comment | added | Joshua | @Susan if I understand correctly, the point is if Scott can demonstrate the pre exilic system is the same as the post exilic, then the only way it is different in the second temple period is if the Sadducees changed it. But the Sadducees generally went by just the Torah, which would suggest they would not have needed to change it if it was the pre exilic Torah's understanding. So while the Sadducees and Pharisees may have disagreed on matters of the yearly calendar , matters of the new moon, etc, they still agreed on the basics of the day. | |
| Apr 7, 2016 at 15:21 | comment | added | ScottS | @elikakohen: Your original question was essentially about a transition at night (sunset to sunset) versus day (sunrise to sunrise), and the title still notes the point is "why ... assert ... day began at night"; so the evidence above shows why a "night" transition. However, if I understand your present objection/question, it is now based on a refined view of "when" in the evening (i.e., dusk [traditional Jewish], midnight [Roman], or otherwise). I will work on an edit to clarify that aspect. | |
| S Apr 7, 2016 at 5:41 | history | suggested | user6503 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Minor edits to make an awesome answer even more awesome.
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| Apr 6, 2016 at 22:54 | comment | added | ScottS | @Susan: Not all date the entire Pentateuch as pre-exilic; note in Dick's answer where he notes some view at least parts of Genesis 1 as post-exile, and I know some view Deuteronomy as post also. Hence why I emphasized agreement on the texts I noted. But you are correct, I read the question as excluding "later" texts (as stated, "to avoid circularity"), but clearly the question is seeking "earliest texts and evidences," and I dare say one is not going to find earlier texts on the matter than Exodus and Numbers, and those clearly existed in 2nd temple period. | |
| Apr 6, 2016 at 22:49 | history | edited | ScottS | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Added link to Job being early
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| Apr 6, 2016 at 22:48 | comment | added | Susan | (really not trying to argue, I just don't understand what you're saying in relation to my concern) If we all agree the Pentateuch is pre-exilic, how can it provide evidence for what was going on in the 1st C.? (The Q as it stands has a heading "evidences must be in the second temple period, although I realize the point there is to exclude later texts.) | |
| Apr 6, 2016 at 22:42 | comment | added | ScottS | @Susan: Also notice that while I do have my own presuppositions about the dating of the text, observe that the two primary passages I use to argue for dating, Exodus 12 and Numbers 33 even Dick's answer notes are pre-Exilic. So my argument supports a pre-Exile dating of sunset to sunset, showing it was not an adoption of Babylonian dating, but an earlier dating system the Hebrews shared with them. | |
| Apr 6, 2016 at 22:36 | history | edited | ScottS | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Modified conclusion to include revised question
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| Apr 6, 2016 at 22:33 | comment | added | ScottS | @Susan: Apparently the question changed some while I was composing, as I quoted what the question was when I started in my conclusion. It does appear the question has morphed some, but I think the Hebrew Scriptures themselves are still the "earliest" basis for the view, which is still a question asked. I'll edit that revised question in. | |
| Apr 6, 2016 at 22:20 | comment | added | Susan | This is impressive, and I admit to not having digested all of it just yet, but unless I'm missing something -- wasn't the question about 1st C. (or at least 2nd temple) practices? Your own presupposition puts these texts long before that. I guess you're assuming things like calendar reckoning did not change? (I have no knowledge in this area, but Dick's answer seems to indicate that this did change, and I see no reason to dismiss that out of hand.) | |
| Apr 6, 2016 at 21:07 | history | answered | ScottS | CC BY-SA 3.0 |