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Jan
31
comment Did God say that Adam will die on the same day he ate the fruit?
@T.A.E. (2) physically alive, yet already sinful, Adam as simply dead. And, therefore, He used the word "die", not "spiritually die". And Jesus also used the word "dead" in Luke 9:60 ("Let the dead bury their dead"), not "spiritually dead". It does not contradict to the men's need to be born of Spirit. However, you can't accuse God in Genesis and Jesus in Luke 9:60 of forgetting to use the word "spiritual" in those cases. What for us is "spiritually dead" is simply "dead" for God - regardless of whether or not the person is still physically alive.
Jan
31
comment Did God say that Adam will die on the same day he ate the fruit?
@T.A.E. (1) "There is much more than eventual physical death, and that is the sense in which I use the word "simplistic" - What makes you think I don't know that or don't believe in that?!!! What you are saying doesn't contradict to my view at all and doesn't say anything new to me either. I know that as soon as someone sins he is in need of rebirth. I know that there is much more than eventual physical death. I know all of that and I do believe in that. It is just that God considered the
Jan
31
comment Did God say that Adam will die on the same day he ate the fruit?
@T.A.E."It's also important to distinguish between ... Man does not have life without the breath of life..." - And how is that contradictory to my "awfully simplistic" view? And what makes you think I don't know what is written in Genesis 2:7?
Jan
31
comment Did God say that Adam will die on the same day he ate the fruit?
@T.A.E. "God couldn't have meant that they would die physically that day, unless you think God is a liar" - Which is exactly what I said. So, I don't understand what is your point? What you are saying is exactly what my view also is. How is my view "an awfully simplistic view of things"?
Jan
30
comment Did God say that Adam will die on the same day he ate the fruit?
@T.A.E. (3) My example, with an apple torn off an apple tree can still help here - apple can still be "alive" for some time, however, it is already dead. This perspective, by the way, does not at all nullify the validity of all those things that Jesus said about the need to be born of Spirit. You may also want to consider Jesus' words in Luke 9:60 ("Let the dead bury their dead"). There is no contradiction here.
Jan
30
comment Did God say that Adam will die on the same day he ate the fruit?
@T.A.E. (2) On that day when Adam partook of the tree of knowledge something really terrible happened to him, something that God described as simply "death". Yes, physically, Adam was still alive and would still be living for about 900 years, however, from that point on, for God Adam was dead (if not, then, as OP has rightly pointed out, God had lied to Adam).
Jan
30
comment Did God say that Adam will die on the same day he ate the fruit?
@T.A.E. (1) "What death experience would Adam and Eve had known at that point?" - And what of being born of Spirit had they known at that point? When I said "death is death" I meant that the death mentioned by God in Genesis 2 is described by Him with only one word, that is, "death". For some reason, God chose not to specify it as "spiritual", nor did He consider it to be important to inform Adam and Eve at that point of their need to be born of Spirit. In this present question we are considering exactly what is meant by the words "you will surely die" in Genesis 2.
Jan
30
comment Is “for ever and ever” eternal?
Thank you for this answer. "If the posting person "Brilliant" needs me to clarify anything please don't hesitate to ask" - okay, I have a first one, have you read Welch's HELL, or “Pure from the blood of all men”? I would want to know your perspective on his points there. I don't mean to say that I am fully supportive of those points, in fact, many of them I didn't get and I still need to study them more closely, and you may have a better understanding.
Jan
13
comment 2 Tim 4:17: “I was delivered from the lion’s mouth” - Is this about Colosseum?
"it's best to look for evidence of an extant idiom rather than speculate about Paul's history" - Both are needed. "No one believes that Paul was literally inside a lion's mouth and was delivered out of it" - Of course, I didn't mean the exact literal sense. "Paul, a roman citizen, could be executed only by beheading, not by being eaten by lions" - This is a very strong point. Thank you.
Jan
13
comment 2 Tim 4:17: “I was delivered from the lion’s mouth” - Is this about Colosseum?
Could it be so that during his first imprisonment, before he was acquitted and, thus, set free, he was facing the option of being executed in that manner in Colosseum? Could he be referring here to that his first imprisonment and the subsequent release?
Jan
12
comment 2 Tim 4:17: “I was delivered from the lion’s mouth” - Is this about Colosseum?
Was 2nd Timothy written after Paul stood before Cesar in Rome?
Jan
12
comment Jam 4:11: judging a brother = judging the law?
Quite enlightening! Thank you.
Jan
12
comment Did God say that Adam will die on the same day he ate the fruit?
@H3br3wHamm3r81 - I know that there is a difference between physical death and spiritual death, however, I was speaking in terms of Genesis 2. There are no such words like "you will surely die spiritually" in it. Neither is there a such a term as "spiritual death" in NT, as Mawia has rightly pointed out. It may look to humans that since they are alive physically they are not dead, however, in one sense - the one that was used by God in Genesis 2 - humans ARE dead regardless of their physical state. You can also take my words in the sense used in Luke 9:60 ("Let the dead bury their dead").
Jan
11
comment Did God say that Adam will die on the same day he ate the fruit?
I wouldn't start categorizing death here as "spiritual" and "physical". After all, God didn't say "you shall surely die spiritually". Death is death. When an apple is taken from an apple tree it still looks okay for some time and can even become more ripe, however, it is now doomed to soon become rotten and dry. When did this crucial change take place? Exactly at that moment when it was torn off the tree, not at the moment when it is fully decomposed. According to Genesis the first murderer was Cain, however, Jesus said that Devil was the murderer "from the beginning" (John 8:44).
Jan
10
comment What do pronouns “their” in Mark 9:43-48 refer to?
WOW!!! Thank you!
Jan
9
comment What do pronouns “their” in Mark 9:43-48 refer to?
@swasheck - Okay. Then the overview of the function of pronouns will suffice.
Jan
9
comment What do pronouns “their” in Mark 9:43-48 refer to?
@swasheck - I am interested in the usage of the high-lightened pronouns in this text, mainly, what they are referring to. You say "doesn't exist in most of the texts" - do you mean here the (usage of) pronoun or the the whole passage?
Jan
9
comment What do pronouns “their” in Mark 9:43-48 refer to?
@swasheck - Yes, it's KJV.
Dec
18
comment Does the woman in Revelation 12 go down to the earth from the heaven?
@Sarah - A sign in heaven showing things that will take place on earth - seems logical to me.
Dec
18
comment Interpretation of the dead ones in 1 Peter 4:6?
"The gospel was preached to them that are dead. That's pretty straight forward" - How is that straightforward about whether the gospel was preached to them before they became dead or after? Such phrase as "Jack thought about those who are now dead" says nothing about whether Jack thought about those people while they were still alive or after they died.