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Jun
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comment Which is considered more reliable about Jesus' words, Mark or Q?
"ONE reputable Mark commentary which says Pauline epistles a source, please?" Raymond E. Brown, S.S, Ph.D, is considered a reputable and influential scholar from the late twentieth century, so I have cited him in an update to my answer. BTW: this question was originally about "scholarly consensus", whcih I addressed, but the goalposts have been moved to have us decide whether scholars ought to come to the conclusions they have made, making us their judges.
Jun
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revised Which is considered more reliable about Jesus' words, Mark or Q?
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Jun
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comment Which is considered more reliable about Jesus' words, Mark or Q?
[continued] This can be summarised: (i) Q is foundational to modern scholarship and (ii) there is a consensus, then (iv, V) we can know with some certainty what Q consisted of even though there is no extant copy. The other answer can be correct from a theological or apologetics point of view (although not even one theologian is cited), but the question asks specifically for scholarly consensus, which my answer provides, supported by the Wikipedia article you kindly provided.
Jun
9
comment Which is considered more reliable about Jesus' words, Mark or Q?
@ScottS: Quoting the same Wikipedia page as in your last comment: The Q source "(i)is one of the foundations of most modern gospel scholarship; (ii) Streeter formulated a widely accepted view of Q: (iii) that it was a written document ... composed in Greek; (iv) that almost all of its contents appear in Matthew, in Luke, or in both; and (v) that Luke more often preserves the original order of the text than Matthew." [continued]
Jun
8
comment Which is considered more reliable about Jesus' words, Mark or Q?
I may be wrong in thinking it a gratuitous comment to reflect on @Keshav Srinivasan reasons for accepting my answer, but I notice that the other answer currently available did not even attempt to provide a scholarly consensus, but rather a theological/apologetic alternative, which is not what was asked for. Given space available, I only gave one citation, but Crossan is not the only scholar to see a further source prior to Q and GThomas, as well as (possibly) Mark. Also, the view that Mark uses material from Paul is widely held.
Jun
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answered Which is considered more reliable about Jesus' words, Mark or Q?
Apr
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revised Does Paul of Tarsus quote Talmud?
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Apr
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revised Adam created after the seventh day?
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Apr
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answered Adam created after the seventh day?
Apr
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answered Why does Jacob say “because I saw God face to face”? (Gen 32:30)
Apr
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answered Does Paul of Tarsus quote Talmud?
Apr
13
comment Prominence of Judah and Joseph in Tribal Allotments
Shame to be -1'ed when I answered the original question, but it was then changed.
Apr
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revised Time in first century Judaism
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revised Time in first century Judaism
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Apr
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comment Time in first century Judaism
Perhaps the question heading could be corrected for 'Judaism' to help people find this question.
Apr
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answered Time in first century Judaism
Apr
3
comment How many times did Peter really deny Christ?
Scott, you concede that mere evidence would not change your view against the Two Sources hypothesis, although I cited two theologians who believe they can prove it, and nearly all critical scholars accept it. Pejoratively, you refer to its origins in anti-supernaturalism, without considering that it is now mainstream. At least for you, that closes off this proof. With no reason to quibble about how many times the cock crows, Jesus does prophesy 3 denials, and I said this is only a prophecy if the number of denials really is exactly 3. What other proofs would you like?
Apr
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comment How many times did Peter really deny Christ?
I'm afraid we were both too casual in what we wrote, I in missing the 'twice' - I should have said "When, in Mark 14:30, Jesus told Peter that he would deny him three times before the cock crowed twice". You probably meant the same, rather than ' "twice" before three denials.'
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Apr
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comment How many times did Peter really deny Christ?
When, in Mark 14:30, Jesus told Peter that he would deny him three times before the cock crowed, he was being remarkably prescient, but only if Peter denied him just the three times. Any other number and Jesus was just guessing. That leaves us with the contradictions in other gospels, which seem to point to more than three denials, but this makes biblical inerrancy so difficult.