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Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 You are a terrible reader! I said, "thankfully, this is not the only thing John said on the subject." I meant this is John's point in these verses (1john 3:6 and following). All have sinned and all are sinners which puts all of us in the camp of the devil. But that's not all John says. He qualifies it in the wider context. And I didn't say tradition has no value. I just don't put more weight in tradition than I do in considering the text. You suggest that I'm wrong if I see the text not in step with tradition. Is the text or tradition our rule?
Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 I really don't care what tradition says. Tradition can and has been wrong. I'm wrestling with the text.
Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 "this is how we know who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right" John is pretty blunt! Don't ignore it. It's not just the act of sinning alone but also not doing what is right. You and I, according to this verse and its Greek original, find ourselves in that camp of the devil. As are all Christians. That's John's point. All sin separates us from God. Sin is darkness and to sin is to walk in darkness. Thankfully this is not the only thing John said on the subject. To love as God loves us to live in the light and to eradicate the darkness in our lives.
Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 That's why sin leading to death is the act of not loving ones brother. All other sin is emptied of its power by the presence of God.
Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 he agrees with their reasoning. "If we have sin in our lives that says we are not the children of God but the children of the devil" but he then includes them in that category saying they have sinned by not loving the brethren. John then places the greater evidence of our relationship with God on love! Love covers sin. Love demonstrates that we have God spirit abiding in us - God's DNA. To live in love is to abide in God. And that love is light which exposes and eradicates the darkness of sin within us.
Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 John's point is to show what Characteristics prove... Continuation reveals character. And it only takes one more time to continue. John is saying once we come to know God we will not continue to sin. This is a totally legitimate way of reading the text. It's not at all like "how many angels..." The greater context of 1 John sides with my interpretation. There is clearly a split between two opposing camps. One claiming to have sinned and one claiming to have not sinned. I would say the later are totally in line with Wesleyan perfectionism. John is addressing the divide.
Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 How many times does it take to show continuation? That's not an impossible question. How many times do I have to lie to make myself a liar? How many times do I have to sin to make myself a sinner? And yet God's righteousness demands perfection. So if we sin does that mean that God is not in us? You seem totally untroubled by that question because you see no contradiction in your sin nature and Gods spirit. But if stop to think about it as John does for his readers you should be troubled by it. The presence of sin in our lives says something contradictory about who we are -gods sons.
Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 I'm not sure I can trust you to read the bible when you can't even read and weigh what I've said in context. God's righteousness demands total sinlessness. Am I wrong? Have I said something the Bible does not say? I believe that John is stating that point here. To sin is to place yourself on the side of the devil. A true Christian will never sin. This is what John says "No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him." The problem is we do sin. So what does that mean about us? That's the issue John is addressing. It doesn't mean we are not in him. His love in us assures.
Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 I don't see a contradiction. And I don't claim Wesleyan perfectionism. This is a direct quote from my post "When we tangibly love those whom God loves the sin in our lives is muted." As to not sinning, i quoted John. One does not have to read the Greek as a reference to habitual sin. Translations, disagree here. I believe there is a tension in these two passages and I see the tension resolved in our relationship with God which is demonstrated in material acts of love. This is why John says we can assure our hearts when our hearts condemn us. The people are troubled by continued sin.
Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 ...intended. And I believe that John is dealing with it. If I may poke some holes in your theological argument. How many sins does it take to add up to an habitual sin? When have we crossed from being righteous to being of the devil? That's more wiggle room than John intended. I believe he wants to make us feel uncomfortable. "habitual sin" allows us to point to someone else. But "Sin" points to our guilt and calls into question our very relationship with God. That's the question that John is dealing with.
Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 I didn't say John was dumb. I think he's being paradoxical. And there's nothing dumb about that. Jesus is paradoxical at times saying things like to save your life is to lose and to lose it is to save it. In the Gospel of John, Jesus sometimes allows for the tension of opposites. For instance, in the healing of the lame man Jesus tells him "stop sinning or something worse will happen" But when asked by his disciples about the blind man who sinned this man or his parents that he would be born blind, Jesus says neither. That's just one example. I believe the tension is real and...
Mar
14
comment What is “sin that leads to death” in 1 John 5:16?
@mbm29414 I understand your point based upon 1 John 1:8-10, 2:1-2 and 1 John 3:3. But in 1 John 3:6 does in fact say that No one who abides in Him sins and that creates a clear tension with what John has already said in the passages listed above. I don't think John intended the two statements to be modified, as if he's just saying the same thing two different ways. He's in fact saying something quite different here and I think its meant to be held in tension with what he has already said.
Feb
22
comment Why did Jesus enter Jerusalem on a donkey?
I can read what you wrote. I just can't log in to chat room to respond. Sorry.
Feb
22
comment Why did Jesus enter Jerusalem on a donkey?
Sorry I can't join. I've closed my Facebook account and this is how I'm able to log in.
Feb
21
comment Why did Jesus enter Jerusalem on a donkey?
Is it necessary to assume that the gospel writers are making this stuff up? All the gospel writers agree that Jesus was condemned by the Romans for claiming to be the king of the Jews. How and when did he publically claim this? He did it by entering Jerusalem on a donkey and cleansing the temple. This was a symbolic act with a political message. It made perfect sense to those who knew Israel's history. Zachariah 9:9, while interesting, isn't really the issue here. The primary allusion is to the coronation of both Solomon and the Macabees and the relationship these kings had to the temple.
Feb
21
comment Why did Jesus enter Jerusalem on a donkey?
Waving palm branches was how the Macabees were celebrated as they entered Jerusalem after defeating the Seleucid king. It's not necessary to claim that gospel writers are untrustworthy on this point.
Feb
21
comment Why did Jesus enter Jerusalem on a donkey?
@Belinda by successor, I mean no successor who sat on the throne. Saul may have had offspring but he had no dynasty.
Dec
5
comment Why does Matthew include these women in Jesus' genealogy?
@JoshuaBigbee I think Sarah would fall into the category you have defined. But she isn't mentioned.
Dec
4
comment Why does Matthew include these women in Jesus' genealogy?
Why isn't Sarah mentioned?
May
25
comment Why did Judas betray Jesus WITH A KISS?
@JoshuaBigbee, Psalms 2 is the most prominent psalm about the coronation of God's "anointed" ruler. If the disciples understood Jesus as the "anointed" they would have been fully aware and expecting the rule of the "son" predicted in that passage. So also Judas, who was there when Peter proclaimed Jesus "the Christ." But Judas in the end betrays Jesus with a kiss. You really think there is no intended irony in it?