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In Revelation chapter 11 v 14 it says "the second woe has past,the third woe is coming soon. I cannot find the third woe or any reference to what the third woe means.

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As the first woe was the 5th trumpet and the second woe the 6th trumpet, the third woe begins with the following verses, 11:15-19, or the 7th trumpet. Dispensationalists interpret this passage as the time period in which the seven vials or bowls will be "emptied out" starting in 16:1 and continuing through 20:3.

If, in following the triplet pattern of woes being the enactment of God's wrath (9:1-8 = 1st woe/5th trumpet and 9:9-15 = 2nd woe/6th trumpet the 3rd woe/7th trumpet is almost certainly the culmination of His wrath especially in light of the seven bowls following. Since we are discussing the woe and not the celebratory phrases in the passage, I would say the judging of the dead is part of the 3rd woe, but the "woe"-ful part of the passage also includes more of v18 and 19. Namely: "Your wrath has come, and the time has come for the dead to be judged...and the time has come to destroy those who destroy the earth....And there were flashes of lightning, roaring, crashes of thunder, an earthquake, and a great hailstorm."

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I view the bowls (Rev 16:1-17) as being poured in very rapid succession sequentially for a few reasons. First, all other judgments (in Rev and Exodus) are separate acts. Second, the bowls, or, rather, the angels, are numbered in a sequential order (first, second...). Third, to determine if the Greek word kai at the beginning of each description should be translated "and" or "then", I look at context. If all seven are poured together, what is the point of the first six since the 7th trumps them all? Why boils and darkness and drought for only an instant? That seems superfluous to me. – Mark Anthony Songer Sep 3 '13 at 21:55
The 1260 day period another popular theory as far as the duration of the bowls and so you and I are not far off that in our beliefs in that regard. I do believe in a sequential pouring out of the bowls over a period of time that is swift, but not necessarily immediately one after the other. However, am I correct in understanding you believe the bowls will not be sequential and the fifth bowl will be first? – Mark Anthony Songer Sep 3 '13 at 23:56
That's interesting. I had not heard that particular take on it before. I interpret 9:4 as pertaining to the locust creatures in restricting whatever they represent to only harming people and nothing else, not that no grass would ever be harmed. But, hey, I don't believe we are going to know exactly what the Tribulation will entail until it gets here, so any one theory is as good as any other. – Mark Anthony Songer Sep 4 '13 at 11:22

I refer to Raymonds remarks concerning trumpets heralding war and I am inclined to agree with him on this. A war begins with each sounding of each of the seven angels trumpets. Revelation 10.7 says 'But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.'

We should take note that the Mystery of God and the sounding of the trumpet are linked.

What is not clear is - Does the outbreak of war cause the mystery of God to finish OR Does the knowledge that the mystery of God has been solved cause war to breakout. Consider the case - if it became known that a person accepted to be a prophet of God had been impersonating God by referring to themselves in the third person and creating a false impression that God/Allah is a separate identity. Thessalonians 2 Ch.2:3-4 '.....that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.' NB In the second theory it is by deduction that we see who God is and who he isn't, and so the mystery of God is finished. And I believe that this would be cause for war if religious zealots and fanatics were to take issue.

So to answer your question - you will find the beginning of the third woe in Revelation 11.15 'And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.'

It becomes more explicit about what the details of this woe actually are if you study Revelation 16.1 through to the end of Revelation 16.21. These are the angels with the bowls of the wrath of God's indignation.


Regarding the judging of the dead.

Revelation 11.18 'And the nations were angry and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints......'

As I said earlier the mystery of God and the sound of the seventh trumpet are linked, but I note that immediately after the seventh trumpet in Rev.11.18 it is followed by the wrath of the nations and the judgement of the dead.

Could it be possible that all three are linked and that in essence the mystery of God finishing causes the wrath of the nations which in turn causes the judgement of the dead.

I return to my premise that when the false god is revealed, then the true god is made known. In which case some nations would be angry, i.e. those whose beliefs and existence are tied up with the false god.

Now to answer the question of the dead being judged. The person who perpetrated the scam of a false god must be amongst the dead who are to be judged.

NB Those who are to be judged are the prophets. Presumably giving reward means recognition for those who have done good deeds, alternatively condemnation to those who have done evil. I don't believe it means everyone who has ever lived on earth is judged at this particular judgement.

Bagpipes I hope that this makes sense to you.

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The third woe is strike three, you're out, the last day of the week begins. If the 70th week is seven years then it makes sense that the day of the Lord is the last year. Not good. Since these folks were wholly deceived and ruthless, they must be judged. As Jesus once replied to one who was considering following him:

Let the dead bury the dead.

Isaiah referred to the day of the Lord as year of HIS vengeance. Since woe one is 6 months or so, including the buffer, and woe two is 3 and 1/2 years, then perhaps there is a year of delay to let all the hooks be lodged into these warring nations to gather all these spoiling fish onto the banks of the river. Happy eating birdies.

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